Repairing your own vehicles and machinery

[caikgoch]

1 hour ago, heavyhorse said:




Which raises another related question:  Why does every frackin' damn thing have to be on the internet?  Including vital infrastructure that has worked just fine for a half century before the 'net was even invented?  It's already been demonstrated that some total stranger can take control of your Jeep driving down the hiway and take you on a off-road journey out of your control.  Or blow up electric power generators by changing phasing.  In one case took out a dam.  Do we really need for someone in another country to be able to turn off your furnace in the middle of winter and freeze all your pipes, or 10,000 pigs or turkeys?  OK, "read only" if you want to check your doorbell cam or home temperature.  But petroleum pipelines?  Control of our food and energy, and subsequently the whole economy?  And who made the chips for the Patriot Missile System?  Or, well, Blue Horizon?  

It's real simple, follow the money.   A friend of mine was one of the engineers that automated the Exxonmobile plant in Baytown.  That's a 3,400 acre facility with more than 10,000 union employees.   After the job was complete it became possible for 2 management personnel per shift to operate the entire plant.   How long has it been since you've seen a strike or nasty contract negotiation in the news?    Of course someone will eventually have to get their hands dirty to do maintenance but there's always Brown & Root for that. 

[heavyhorse]

3 hours ago, caikgoch said:




It's real simple, follow the money.   A friend of mine was one of the engineers that automated the Exxonmobile plant in Baytown.  That's a 3,400 acre facility with more than 10,000 union employees.   After the job was complete it became possible for 2 management personnel per shift to operate the entire plant.   How long has it been since you've seen a strike or nasty contract negotiation in the news?    Of course someone will eventually have to get their hands dirty to do maintenance but there's always Brown & Root for that. 

I'm not referring to automation.  Why would the refinery need to be on the internet?  A closed network would work as well without exposure to Ransomware or GRU.  

[caikgoch]

2 minutes ago, heavyhorse said:




I'm not referring to automation.  Why would the refinery need to be on the internet?  A closed network would work as well without exposure to Ransomware or GRU.  

Why would anyone want to lay miles of dedicated fiber in expensive rights of way that would be used to 0.0001% of its capacity when there's a ready made, it just works, network already in place?    You may not be aware but the plant isn't 1 contiguous lump.    One of the adventures of working there is signing in and out of various gates to cross or traverse Baytown city streets.   And you had better not take any short cuts.




Now think of how much more true that would be of a pipeline.    In fact, one of the things that broke Enron was laying fiber down their pipeline rights of way on pure speculation.