Fetish or orientation??

[heavyhorse]

Um, so.




Considering that last line, isn't society basically telling us all:




"4 legs good, 2 legs bad" ?        (Seems I've heard that somewhere before-- )




 




I'm surprised that there aren't more zoos than there are........ 




 




 

[30-30]

2 hours ago, heavyhorse said:




I grew up on a farm, so knew what went where long before "the talk" (long on generalities, short on fact.  "When 2 people love each other very much, especially if they are naked").




So I was around animals from early on.  I was around humans, adult and my own age from early on.




As soon as I became aware of my sexuality I was aroused by the animals.  Not so by the humans.




So.  Some biological orientation?  




Perhaps that humans stressed from earliest awareness that sex is bad and to be avoided, while animals were open, natural and inviting about sex?

The last line almost gave me the cringe, not only because it is totally non factual that animals are "open, natural and inviting about sex", but for the evident misconception that is lying therein. There are more than enough examples of civilisations with a huge sexual permissiveness in mankind and portraying mankind like you did is a vast exaggeration at least. But there´s another issue with that kind of "think": zoos and beasties usually are confronted with the accusation of "going down the path of least resistance" with animals and a whole lot of multiple, equally flawed "reasons" to have sex with animals can occasionally be heard throughout our community. Although some might believe arguments like this are a clever response to accusations from outside, the only thing that this kind of thinking is reassuring is the common notion of "zoophiles" as sexual predators unable to keep their junk in their pants, desperately wanting to fuck whenever there´s a possibility to do so, regardless of species. 




It also makes me wonder whether this so called "openness" about sex is not just an anthropocentric misconception of animals...you´re not describing the actual animals with this statement, you´re just comparing them to humans here. If you really rely on this argument, you only give the impression of your zoophilia being a result of picking the option with the least resistance...the easiest way to get laid. If we actually try to use objectivity, animals aren´t nearly as "open, natural and inviting" about sex as you like to believe. Contrary to humans, animals have mating seasons, usually short ones...outside these seasons, sex simply doesn´t play a huge role in animals. Only few species share the same deranged non seasonal all-over-the-year reproductivity mechanism with humans.




I´ve come across this kind of mentality in our community on lots of occasions, but it all usually boils down to the usual "animals are basically fuckbots , always ready for the deed" inhumane and misled human misconception of animals...they´re not organic fuck robots and their sex life also is limited by lots of restrictions and "rules"...but humans seem to always forget that. It´s basically like preferring travelpussies over real women because objects "are more open and inviting towards sex"...see?




If you´d ask me why I am a zoo, I would only have one "reason" to utter here: because I love my mare. Love should, IMHO, the only reason for engaging in interspecies sex...and I surely am not referring to that twisted and deranged , "modern" idea of love as self love, always going for the easiest way to satisfy one´s own needs. From my experience as someone who had to live more than 20 years with his beloved soul mate mare in public boarding stables, I can only say that love, visible mutual love is the reason that will  win over the most tolerance (as in this word´s original meaning: to cope with something you are not fond of) in society. The moment a zoo tries to rely on other "reasons", he has lost...´cause these "reasons" simply don´t hold up very well.




One last thing: if you grew up on a farm and had your sexuality shaped by watching animals mate, insisting on this being a real orientation for you, I can only counter with Hannibal Lecter´s eternal words of wisdom from "The silence of the lambs"..."What we see, we yearn". At this point, I really wonder whether you´d be the same person with the same "orientation" if you had grown up in an urban environment, without any exposure to "sexy animals"...a valid question, don´t you think?




For me, who definitely has some minority viewpoints in our community, sexual imprinting has more to do with it than any idea of "born zoos"...in puberty,  the released hormones basically turn you into a whole different being and what happens during puberty has more impact on your adult personality than anything else. Mix that with preconditions like "growing up on a farm watching the animals fuck" plus the mindset of "humans are totally restrictive about sex, animals are *free, open, natural and inviting* and , voíla, there you have it. 




There are many other possible factors in this equation, KInsey for example says that among farmboys, acts of bestiality are way more common than among urban teenagers, but usually this is a form of sexual experimentation and does not make you a lifetime zoo at all (Hell, I don´t even agree on that making you a zoo). What else? Well, there´s always other factors involved, we for example have a quite big percentage of "zoos" who clearly went down the "animal road" because they´re awful with humans, we have lots of "zoos" who fall into the autism spectrum. We also have those among us who arrived at "zoophilia" by going through plethora of other "perversions", always searching for a novelty kick once the worn out perversion fails to get the job done anymore....literal "careers" or drug-like addiction symptoms ("increased frequency, potency and dosage").




What I´m trying to say is that I have realised I´m not like my classmates or any other one when I was around 14 y.o., in ´85/´86. Until today, I have invested countless hours trying to isolate a single "reason" for me turning out to be a zoophile, an exclusive one who only feels attracted to mares. I spent hours and hours going through various books, websites and other material, psychological stuff etc...but to this very day, I failed at finding that one, sole and isolated "reason" for me to turn out the way I am. I am quite outspoken and not exactly bad looking, I had more than enough possibilities to have uncomplicated sexual adventures with women, as a professional rinding instructor you are almost always the target of one or more 16 y.o. teenage girls projecting their sexual and emotional feelings onto you. Same with adult women....long story short, I could have easily "become normal" at any time in my life. I´m also not under the impression that humans generally see sex as something bad that has to be avoided as I´m German and Germany isn´t exactly the most prudish country in the world. I also never saw animals as "go easy" options that are exponentially more open and inviting about sex....in fact, living with your mare in a public boarding stable makes sleeping with your mare a whole lot more problematic than anything else if you don´t want to be caught with your pants around your ankles. If I had wanted to have sex with one of my "admirers" right at the stables, I could have done that without any harsh repercussions in case I´d been walked in on....sure, people would have talked and mocked me for that, but compared to being walked in on with my mare....




 

[heavyhorse]

5 hours ago, 30-30 said:




 

Noted.

[Saturnine]

This is definitely an orientation. If it was just a fetish, it would be much easier to live normally.

[Guest]

I Have a question for my fellow members on this forum, how did you first find out about your sexual attraction to animals?




Has it always been there? Or was it something you choose to do at a later point in life?.. I've heard both explanations in the past and am interested to see the results of this thread...




The first zoo-like feelings I have ever had were when I was like 9 or 10 years old. I had many dreams involving me being an animal an cuddling with a human.




To me it felt very weird... I'm zoo exclusive but to me it felt very right somehow.




Later I had a little fight with my friend at school about who would get a wife first. But that made me think... What is actually the point of that? There's nothing really to do with humans!




We used to have dogs long ago. When our Shih Tzu popped a boner, I stared at his dick. I had no idea why, but I just kept staring.




This later happened with our Rottweiler too. There was something attracting me and I had thoughts about sucking him off, but I never did. Damn, I regret that so much.




When I first masturbated, it was all out of nowhere. I didn't really masturbate to anything and I didn't even know it existed but I somehow just came up with it.




But I did masturbate to actual things after that. But it was nothing specific at all, I just masturbated to anything I could find.




I was always obsessed with a certain family of animals. At first it'd be bovids, then reptiles, then felids, then this, then that...




When I became 13 years old I was going trough a pretty rough phase. I felt something different for horses and also went vegetarian, but stopped that when I realized it made no difference for any animal at all.




I was also an extreme pushover at that point and I was so nice, but for good reasons my misanthropy started really growing at that point.




So many damn dreams about them... 




My horse attraction toned down little when I became 14-15 years old and realized how beautiful foxes really where. I knew they were related to wolves and dogs so I started loving them too.




Again, so many dreams about them... The innocent desperate virgin days.




A few months before my 16th birthday I got my girl. She was just a few months old pup and I raised her by myself. Only when I got her I really started saying that I was a zoophile. 




Nothing really changed much since then. My canid and equid attraction are equal now.




Although because of the horrible experiences I've had and the depression I got from it lowered most of my attraction to the point I don't really enjoy our relationship and sex like first.




So I'd say I was an actual zoophile at 13 years old but my attraction became complete at 15 years old. 




I Personally believe that it can be either or, but in my experience it is an orientation for me as I've always been this way and have no urges to mate or be in a romantic relationship with my own species..




Zoophilia is obviously a sexual orientation. A fetish is a sexual attraction to objects, body parts, etc. 




Animals are living beings. It'd be dumb if sexual orientations were limited to genders only.




And here's something to think about: Any sexual orientation can be a fetish for someone (although in reality it's not true.).




As I said, a fetish is a sexual attraction to objects, body parts, etc. so it depends on what you see animals as.




Oh, and don't confuse it with the word ''kink'' either which is what a lot of humans do.

[dog]

I do think zoophilia is my sexual orientation. When I discovered I was zoo sometimes during puberty and after the initial heavily porn focused period ended, I longed for a loving relationship with an animal, I imagined it, fantasized about it. That is something I have never done with humans before or after as far as I remember. I have never felt any desire to have a loving relationship with a human partner. I do obviously like having friends but that not the same.




Eventually I did have a deeply loving relationship with a real animal and I immensely enjoyed that. I do have sexual experience with other humans, but none of that has ever crossed the line to a partnership, I still remain romantically interested in animals and I still want to love an animal.




In my opinion the physical construction of my brain has been incorrectly wired in some critical point of my life which made me a zoophile. On the other hand I do not have any traumatic experiences from childhood or anything like that. I guess it is just a bug in the code. [img]<fileStore.core_Emoticons>/emoticons/biggrin.png[/img]/emoticons/[email protected] 2x" title=":D" width="20" />

[threelegs]

I started becoming fascinated by animals' sex-parts way before puberty ... I once tried to get a neighbor's dog to mount me,  and I didn't even know I'd have to take my pants off at the time. Probably better that he showed no interest. Also around that time, as I recall it, some friends of my parents came to visit and brought their little dog--a chihuahua or something--male--and I took him up to my room to play with him. Closed the door. Put him down on the floor and crouched down with my hand out, and he immediately fucked my fist.




I can't point to any event at any time in my life that would have put these ideas in my head, and could never have explained the compulsion.

[shortleash]

and then in jun 24 of last year everybody got tired of talking about this and went to sleep....i am compulsed to start it up for the newbies...