Would you choose another species to be attracted to?

[Cat]

2 hours ago, battlecrops said:




I'm not exclusive, so I'm attracted to humans anyway.  Same here as Rodentheart, I don't want to lie to or keep a part of myself from a partner.  But I also can't risk "coming out" as zoo, so effectively I can't have relationships with humans even though I actively want to.   It hurts, there's a person I'm really romantically attracted to and I can't do anything about it.  If I could choose I'd rather just be attracted to people only, and monogamous.  




Within animals, I wish I could flip a switch and make dogs my primary attraction.  Definitely easier to get a dog than goats, or my other primary attractions are deer and lions, which aren't going to happen at all!

Coming out as zoo to someone you are in a relationship with isn't that risky honestly, when you are in a relationship with somebody the level of trust is (or should be) bigger than friends (even close friends); it should feel in a way like telling your mother you are a zoophile, I've had human relationships and they knew I was a zoophile, I wasn't sure then if I was into humans and I was forcing myself to, at the end I'd  figure that just as I feared, I am exclusive.




Usually when you say something of that caliber to someone they'd in return tell you something of the same degree (to them); I'd figure the first one really liked bestiality porn and had family issues and the whole thing, the second well; I can't even tell, I promised, but more unlucky than being a zoophile; but overall if you play your cards right, you actually strengthen the trust instead, I am 100% sure the second guy would help me bury a body, not like we would, but that's the level of trust acquired.

[Saturnine]

6 hours ago, Cat said:




Dude I have had relationships with humans, it's not that bad; it's actually nice to have all our human needs (complex communication, critical thinking, etc...) also realized with your partner, there's no such drama with humans as well, you usually end up with people that think similarly to you; in fact my last relationship was with someone that knew I was a zoo, he didn't mind because our ethical code was quite similar, but it wouldn't work out because, well, he was interested in me and I just figured it wouldn't work because he wasn't covered in fur; there wasn't even any drama on that.




Also getting pregnant, or getting someone pregnant, that's the whole thing of reproduction; I mean you have fun, but come on, if I could, I'd like to be able to reproduce with my partner, so it's not like a risk. [img]<fileStore.core_Emoticons>/emoticons/ohmy.png[/img]/emoticons/[email protected] 2x" title=":o" width="20" />

People have always been shitty to me, so I wouldn't know what it's like to be in any kind of human relationship.




I am also strongly against humans reproducing. Maybe it's a bad experience on my part, but life equates to suffering. It's better to avoid giving it if you can.

[battlecrops]

Unfortunately I already know the person I'm attracted to lately is against it, so there's not much that can be done about that [img]<fileStore.core_Emoticons>/emoticons/sad.png[/img]/emoticons/[email protected] 2x" title=":(" width="20" />

My best relationship was with another non-exclusive zoo, she came out to me before I did to her so I knew it was safe to tell her.  That worked out really well, but the chances of that happening again are slim to none I figure!  I do ask vague questions that don't out myself to try to get a feel for how people feel about it, if it's negative I don't talk about it much further and I know not to out myself to that person.  Part of my issue too is that I'm not monogamous, I already have an animal partner, and I don't think even most accepting people would be okay with me also still being with an animal.  Which is understandable of course.  So the chances of someone both being ok with me being zoo AND poly are even lower.  I just try not to let myself get too down about it, and focus on my personal goals for the future.  If a human partner happens to come along that works out and accepts me, that'd be amazing, but I'm not going to hold out for it and I'm going to focus on being happy myself, for myself, and with my animals.

I work with animals as a major hobby and would like for it to become my profession, so with the way gossip spreads I really can't afford to have it get out that I'm a zoo.  That's part of why I'm so extra cautious.  




I don't want children personally but I also can't get anyone pregnant myself so, I guess that worked out [img]<fileStore.core_Emoticons>/emoticons/tongue.png[/img]/emoticons/[email protected] 2x" title=":P" width="20" />  I'd like to at least have the option but eh... I've tried to make peace with it

[Cat]

1 hour ago, Saturnine said:




People have always been shitty to me, so I wouldn't know what it's like to be in any kind of human relationship.




I am also strongly against humans reproducing. Maybe it's a bad experience on my part, but life equates to suffering. It's better to avoid giving it if you can.

The people around you are what you expect them to be.

[Cat]

17 minutes ago, battlecrops said:




Unfortunately I already know the person I'm attracted to lately is against it, so there's not much that can be done about that [img]<fileStore.core_Emoticons>/emoticons/sad.png[/img]/emoticons/[email protected] 2x" title=":(" width="20" />

My best relationship was with another non-exclusive zoo, she came out to me before I did to her so I knew it was safe to tell her.  That worked out really well, but the chances of that happening again are slim to none I figure!  I do ask vague questions that don't out myself to try to get a feel for how people feel about it, if it's negative I don't talk about it much further and I know not to out myself to that person.  Part of my issue too is that I'm not monogamous, I already have an animal partner, and I don't think even most accepting people would be okay with me also still being with an animal.  Which is understandable of course.  So the chances of someone both being ok with me being zoo AND poly are even lower.  I just try not to let myself get too down about it, and focus on my personal goals for the future.  If a human partner happens to come along that works out and accepts me, that'd be amazing, but I'm not going to hold out for it and I'm going to focus on being happy myself, for myself, and with my animals.

I work with animals as a major hobby and would like for it to become my profession, so with the way gossip spreads I really can't afford to have it get out that I'm a zoo.  That's part of why I'm so extra cautious.  




I don't want children personally but I also can't get anyone pregnant myself so, I guess that worked out [img]<fileStore.core_Emoticons>/emoticons/tongue.png[/img]/emoticons/[email protected] 2x" title=":P" width="20" />  I'd like to at least have the option but eh... I've tried to make peace with it

[img]<fileStore.core_Emoticons>/emoticons/sad.png[/img]/emoticons/[email protected] 2x" title=":(" width="20" /> Have you tried maybe meeting someone online first, that way it's easier to figure out if they'll be accepting or ditch them beforehand since there's quite some anonymity online, of course it takes time to build a relationship that way, but it's usually the safest route.

[Saturnine]

3 hours ago, Cat said:




The people around you are what you expect them to be.

Uh, no. I don't expect them to be evil, yet they are. Their discriminatory actions are all that is needed to confirm this for me.

[heavyhorse]

1 hour ago, Saturnine said:




Uh, no. I don't expect them to be evil, yet they are. Their discriminatory actions are all that is needed to confirm this for me.

C'mon, dude.  What discrimination?  They won't buy you a horse or a syringe?   99% of people have never been gifted either.  For it to be discriminatory it has to be treating you differently than other people.   You are treated the same as others, yet disparage all attempts at suggestions to help you.   Your imaginings are the evil; you need to see a professional about that.

[Cat]

Just now, heavyhorse said:




C'mon, dude.  What discrimination?  They won't buy you a horse or a syringe?   99% of people have never been gifted either.  For it to be discriminatory it has to be treating you differently than other people.   You are treated the same as others, yet disparage all attempts at suggestions to help you.   Your imaginings are the evil; you need to see a professional about that.

For it to be discrimination there has to be a clear factor or difference to make it be so, maybe he is acting in a way that makes him be disliked or outcasted; I'd say these same posts just proves why.

[Saturnine]

3 hours ago, Cat said:




For it to be discrimination there has to be a clear factor or difference to make it be so, maybe he is acting in a way that makes him be disliked or outcasted; I'd say these same posts just proves why.

I'd say you're all alike in your inability to think in an unbiased way, but nothing needs to be said about that. It's apparent in everything that I've read from the "right to die" thread and elsewhere.




Sigh, why should I be surprised?

[Cat]

9 hours ago, Saturnine said:




I'd say you're all alike in your inability to think in an unbiased way, but nothing needs to be said about that. It's apparent in everything that I've read from the "right to die" thread and elsewhere.




Sigh, why should I be surprised?

I seriously don't know where you pick the bias, just like I tell you the people around you are what you expect them to be, we become what you expect us to become; that's more or less how things work, not because we are that but because you perceive us as that.




Like Saturnine you complain about how hard your life is and shit, and how depressing; and let me put you this in perspective, I was displaced from my own homeland, I was assaulted, people tried to kill me, I once went home covered in bruises and bleeding from that, I had to figure around the communists as my hands are tied to their violent regime, I had to work for some months in what was virtually slave labour overseas as I was being paid 0, none, I had to literally fight for my human rights, and I still do to this day; but boy, life is beautiful, people are nice and helpful, and I won't be thinking that those who come are the same way; I am always hopeful, treat people nicely, I am so glad and happy to have water and food, and growing, more; yes I am a disgusting zoophile, and I struggle with that, but still I love those around me and care of them; that's how you progress, you don't see me complaining all the time about the people that literally tried to kill me and the ones that ruined my life and made miserable each one around me; I am focusing on getting a lover instead, planning, stressing over it yes; but doing fucking something.




Look I care about you, and that's why you need to see that for yourself, you need to move up; you need to smile, look ahead, and forget the past and value the little things; that's how you get your view of the world changed, and you'll see how more and more people turn out to be nice, because none is evil, everyone believes they are doing the right thing.