Baculum difference in Dire Wolves

[arcticwolf]

How many folks are aware of the differences between dire wolves and other wolves and one very distinguishable characteristic, very few people know, that make any dire wolf specimen easily identifiable from any canine species. It is one a zoo would notice! The baculum.






The dire wolf was about the same size as the largest modern gray wolves (Canis lupus), which are the Yukon wolf and the northwestern wolf. C. d. guildayi weighed on average 60 kilograms (132 lb) and C. d. dirus was on average 68 kg (150 lb). Its skull and dentition matched those of C. lupus, but its teeth were larger with greater shearing ability, and its bite force at the canine tooth was the strongest of any known Canis species.

The largest northern wolves today have a shoulder height of 38 in (97 cm) and a body length of 69 in (180 cm). The dire wolf had smaller feet and a larger head when compared with a northern wolf of the same body size. The skull length could reach up to 310 mm (12 in) or longer, with a broader palate, frontal region, and zygomatic arches compared with the Yukon wolf. These dimensions make the skull very massive.

C. d. guildayi is estimated to have weighed on average 60 kg (130 lb), and C. d. dirus weighed on average 68 kg (150 lb) with some specimens being larger,[18] but these could not have exceeded 110 kg (240 lb) due to skeletal limits.[41] In comparison, the average weight of the Yukon wolf is 43 kg (95 lb) for males and 37 kg (82 lb) for females. Individual weights for Yukon wolves can vary from 21 kg (46 lb) to 55 kg (121 lb),[42] with one Yukon wolf weighing 79.4 kg (175 lb).[38]:1 These figures show the average dire wolf to be similar in size to the largest modern gray wolf.




The remains of a complete male C. dirus are sometimes easy to identify compared to other Canis specimens because the baculum (penis bone) of the dire wolf is very different from that of all other living canids.

the actual caption for this photo: "Skeleton from the La Brea Tar Pits mounted in running pose. Note the baculum between the rear legs".<a class="ipsAttachLink ipsAttachLink_image" href="https://zoowg.org/uploads/monthly_2018_02/Dire_Wolf_Skeleton.jpg.38257716c1215cd81244c98dc34d0687.jpg" data-fileid="3085"></a>


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dire wolf baculum comparison to greywolf (Natural History) sample dire wolf averages

 








With such a massive size difference how big was it fleshed out in real life?




It would seem that dire wolves would likely have the same baculum to flesh ratios as other canines. In which case. Dire Wolves were MASSIVE HUNG! on average. With a comparable body size to large wolf species.




Am i wrong to assume that with a full erection, he would be about the thickness of my forearm and a knot possibly the size of a cantaloupe? 




Not certain if this is where this post is supposed to be ... but to me this IS a zoophile type discussion!




Will post another topic about this, containing more detailed information on dire wolf bacculums in comparison to grey wolves perhaps in a more appropriate section ...  and a post of possible reasons dire wolves developed this adaptation compared to grey wolves that did not, and existed alongside dire wolves.

[Cynolove693]

2 hours ago, arcticwolf said:




How many folks are aware of the differences between dire wolves and other wolves and one very distinguishable characteristic, very few people know, that make any dire wolf specimen easily identifiable from any canine species. It is one a zoo would notice! The baculum.






The dire wolf was about the same size as the largest modern gray wolves (Canis lupus), which are the Yukon wolf and the northwestern wolf. C. d. guildayi weighed on average 60 kilograms (132 lb) and C. d. dirus was on average 68 kg (150 lb). Its skull and dentition matched those of C. lupus, but its teeth were larger with greater shearing ability, and its bite force at the canine tooth was the strongest of any known Canis species.

The largest northern wolves today have a shoulder height of 38 in (97 cm) and a body length of 69 in (180 cm). The dire wolf had smaller feet and a larger head when compared with a northern wolf of the same body size. The skull length could reach up to 310 mm (12 in) or longer, with a broader palate, frontal region, and zygomatic arches compared with the Yukon wolf. These dimensions make the skull very massive.

C. d. guildayi is estimated to have weighed on average 60 kg (130 lb), and C. d. dirus weighed on average 68 kg (150 lb) with some specimens being larger,[18] but these could not have exceeded 110 kg (240 lb) due to skeletal limits.[41] In comparison, the average weight of the Yukon wolf is 43 kg (95 lb) for males and 37 kg (82 lb) for females. Individual weights for Yukon wolves can vary from 21 kg (46 lb) to 55 kg (121 lb),[42] with one Yukon wolf weighing 79.4 kg (175 lb).[38]:1 These figures show the average dire wolf to be similar in size to the largest modern gray wolf.




The remains of a complete male C. dirus are sometimes easy to identify compared to other Canis specimens because the baculum (penis bone) of the dire wolf is very different from that of all other living canids.

the actual caption for this photo: "Skeleton from the La Brea Tar Pits mounted in running pose. Note the baculum between the rear legs".<a class="ipsAttachLink ipsAttachLink_image" data-fileid="3085" href="https://zoowg.org/uploads/monthly_2018_02/Dire_Wolf_Skeleton.jpg.38257716c1215cd81244c98dc34d0687.jpg"></a>


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Replica Gray Wolf Baculum (12cm)   h..ps://www.skullsunlimited.com/products/replica-gray-wolf-baculum-13cm-rb-137  <a class="ipsAttachLink ipsAttachLink_image" data-fileid="3087" href="https://zoowg.org/uploads/monthly_2018_02/OP-10__1_1200x.jpg.de4af7a7730c0292a61e42723c6901ee.jpg"></a>

dire wolf baculum comparison to greywolf (Natural History) sample dire wolf averages

 









With such a massive size difference how big was it fleshed out in real life?




It would seem that dire wolves would likely have the same baculum to flesh ratios as other canines. In which case. Dire Wolves were MASSIVE HUNG! on average. With a comparable body size to large wolf species.




Am i wrong to assume that with a full erection, he would be about the thickness of my forearm and a knot possibly the size of a cantaloupe? 




Not certain if this is where this post is supposed to be ... but to me this IS a zoophile type discussion!




Will post another topic about this, containing more detailed information on dire wolf bacculums in comparison to grey wolves perhaps in a more appropriate section ...  and a post of possible reasons dire wolves developed this adaptation compared to grey wolves that did not, and existed alongside dire wolves.

When I lived down in Georgia I had a wolf/malinos hybrid, he had by far the biggest penis I've ever seen on a dog, it was at least a 11 1-2 inches long, and his knot was huge, definitely bigger than a tennis ball.. What made him so unique though was his penis curved like the 6th one down on the left hand side of the baculum diagram you posted.. I've seen only one other dog with a curve to his penis, it seems rather rare, but is entirely possible, my guess would be its a semi-dorminat trait that made its way through selective breeding wolves into dogs.. I've seen some dogs that were ridiculously hung, and some that were tiny, it varys as you can tell by the diagram.. 




This is a interesting subject I like any discussion involving wolves [img]<fileStore.core_Emoticons>/emoticons/smile.png[/img]/emoticons/[email protected] 2x" title=":)" width="20" />

[arcticwolf]

wolf baculums showing size sccale




alaskan wolf <a class="ipsAttachLink ipsAttachLink_image" href="https://zoowg.org/uploads/monthly_2018_02/5a761bbd4a005_alaskanwolfbaculum.jpg.3d8c4ce95407250a784f39f56b73da67.jpg" data-fileid="3091"></a>




grey wolf <a class="ipsAttachLink ipsAttachLink_image" href="https://zoowg.org/uploads/monthly_2018_02/5a761beb89e7e_greywolfbaculum.jpg.6d93fa3a97512d2bcdaa690a04cbde2e.jpg" data-fileid="3092"></a>

[arcticwolf]

1 minute ago, Cynolove693 said:




What made him so unique though was his penis curved like the 6th one down on the left hand side of the baculum diagram you posted.. I've seen only one other dog with a curve to his penis, it seems rather rare, but is entirely possible

I have only known several  dogs with some curvature, and one with a serious curve, but i have pics of a few with slight curves and a couple with serious banana curves




a few quick examples from the shep collection as i scroll for the boy that is almost hook curved




serious curve here <a class="ipsAttachLink ipsAttachLink_image" href="https://zoowg.org/uploads/monthly_2018_02/PL_218_285.jpg.8d808178ccf0b2ea255b59e1032e2cc2.jpg" data-fileid="3097"></a><a class="ipsAttachLink ipsAttachLink_image" href="https://zoowg.org/uploads/monthly_2018_02/tumblr_mohqmvrklx1so5uuro1_r1_1280_0.jpg.ad613d60a8cd7a1b2300b8ea992feece.jpg" data-fileid="3098"></a><a class="ipsAttachLink ipsAttachLink_image" href="https://zoowg.org/uploads/monthly_2018_02/dog116.jpg.4c5a7ffce7ab8f2df264c81f1f38b15a.jpg" data-fileid="3095"></a>




 

[caikgoch]

I would love to know their gestation period.      The most obvious thing that comes to mind is that the males needed a big penis to fill up a female's big vagina.       Perhaps a look at female pelvic sizes might offer a clue.




Horses are so well hung because they have such huge, well developed babies and this might be a similar case.      Horses don't den, they stay with the herd so babies have to be able to literally keep up with the herd from the moment of birth.     If the Dire Wolf moved in large packs and didn't den I would expect a similar effect.     

[littlejohn]

According to the guy who wrote 'Horse Watching' among other books (Desmond Morris), horses have a giant penis so that they will be totally overstiimulated and mate very quickly.  This reduced their exposure to predators while busy mating.  This is borne out by the fact that horses now have smaller dicks than zebras.. there is no selection for ize in tame horses while there still is in wild equines such as zebras and wild burros. 

[littlejohn]

I'd truly admire to be tied to the operator of the Dire Wolf baculuum.   It should truly be an Experience.




 

[caikgoch]

Just now, littlejohn said:




According to the guy who wrote 'Horse Watching' among other books (Desmond Morris), horses have a giant penis so that they will be totally overstiimulated and mate very quickly.  This reduced their exposure to predators while busy mating.  This is borne out by the fact that horses now have smaller dicks than zebras.. there is no selection for ize in tame horses while there still is in wild equines such as zebras and wild burros. 

The problem with that theory is that literally everything else in that environment, even the predators and other equines, mate faster than Zebras (think Cervine or Bovine singular ejaculatory thrust).    Besides, they wouldn't need a big penis to be highly stimulated if the mares didn't have such a large vagina.     It is, however, true that smaller equines have relatively larger babies.




And I would love a chance to compare a Dire Wolf tie to an equine flare.

[littlejohn]

I would too!




 

[farellfoxx]

This is interesting.