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Massive Baculum in Dire wolves .. A reason for it
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What Penis bones might tell us about Dire wolf behavior



Dire wolves are one of those creatures from the past that has captured the public imagination. They are conventionally dreamed of as being massive wolves, and Hollywood has created fictional ones the size of horses.




The truth of the matter is they were only slightly larger than the largest of modern North American wolves.




We know that they were closely related to modern wolves, but their exact position in the wolf family tree is still a bit contested.  The two species are close enough in appearance that it often takes a specialist to figure out whether one is looking at the skeletal remains dire or modern wolf the measurement of the skull features and limb proportions.




One feature, though, that is diagnostic of the dire wolf is its  robust and “perky” baculum.




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If you don’t know what a baculum is, that’s because you’re human. In virtually ever other species, the males have a “penis bone” or os penis.  Where I grew up in West Virginia, it was not unusual for men to wear a raccoon’s baculum as talisman of both one’s virility and redneck bona fides.




The dire wolf is one of those ancient animals for which we have a lot of skeletal remains to examine.  In the famous La Brea Tar Pits, where the remains of over a million Pleistocene creatures have been found, dire wolves are the most common species to have been recovered.




The tar pits were a death trap for all sort of large herbivorous mammals, and when they became stuck in the natural asphalt tar, they were easy pickings for scavengers.  Dire wolves came to the tar pits to eat, but many, many of them died. Over 200,000 of them have been taken out of the site.




With such a big sample of dire wolf skeletal remains, paleontologists have been able to figure out quite a bit about their growth patterns, but of particular interest are the bacula of the male dire wolves.  They are not shaped  like the bacula of any existent canid. They are curved and robust, and when compared to modern wolves of the roughly the same size, they are 44 percent longer.




That is a unusual find, and it suggests something about dire wolf behavior that isn’t true of modern wolves.




Modern wolves generally reproduce through a mated pair. In most wolf packs living in most situations in the wild, only a single pair in a pack gets to mate and produce pups. Other wolves in the pack might mate, but their pups will either be killed or abandoned.




This doesn’t happen every time. If there is abundant prey, these young females are sometimes allowed to raise their pups alongside their mother’s litter.




But in most cases, they don’t get to raise pups.




Modern wolves spend a lot of energy making sure that the mated pair, who are usually parents of the other wolves in the pack, get to mate and get to mate with each other.  The other females in the pack might become pregnant, but they will be attacked if they try to mate with the main breeding male.  The only way they ever get pregnant is by wandering interlopers who haven’t yet formed a pair bond with a female.




During the mating season is when young wolves typically leave their parents’ pack.  They typically don’t have any mating opportunities, and the constant bickering wears on them.




The big and strangely shaped bacula of dire wolves suggests they might not have been quite like modern wolves.  These bacula are suggestive that dire wolves were “better endowed” than modern wolves, and larger genitalia is usually associated with a less physically competitive reproductive strategy.




This phenomenon is well-known in primates. Generally, if a monkey or ape has bigger testes or penis, there is going to be less physical confrontation when it comes to mating.




The competition for well-endowed monkeys is how much semen a male can produce and how far up in the female he can penetrate it. If you can produce more semen and get it deeper into the female’s reproductive tract, then you’re more likely to pass on your genes.




In less-endowed species, there is much more physical confrontation to get one’s genes passed on.




My guess is that this applied to dire wolves. They may not have even had a proper pair-bonding system, and a dire wolf bitch may have mated with many partners in much the same way female domestic dogs do.  The male dire wolves may have had very little competition for mating. They just mated and got along with each other.




It would have been an asset in a dire wolf pack for males to have gotten along with each other. More peace in a dire wolf pack means that more wolves remain in the pack for a longer period of time, and that means they would have had larger packs that would have been much more capable at hunting large prey. They also would have been better able to run off short-faced bears from their kills and to compete with Smilodons and American lions.




It’s likely that the intense competition between huge carnivorans during the dire wolf’s reign forced them into a more cooperative breeding and pack structure.




Again, no scientist has ever seen a dire wolf or observed their pack behavior, but they had this weird adaptation that sort of points to a more peaceful pack existence than exists in the modern species.




My guess is that dire wolves traveled in massive swarms, much like those seen in dholes of today. They were ruthless scavengers and dogged hunters.




When mating tame came, they bred like village dogs. Males would bunch up around a bitch in heat and each would mate with her. There would be no pair bond between the male and female.




The competition was in the semen and the implantation thereof.




Would really like a discussion on this.




What are your thoughts?




Why, were dire wolves more massive hung then the grey wolves that also existed during this same time period?




How fucking big was a dire wolf hung in real life. It seems they had a real "Bitch Splitter" They average 44% longer and 200+% thicker. It boggles the mind from a zoo stand point.


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On 2/3/2018 at 2:42 PM, arcticwolf said:




What Penis bones might tell us about Dire wolf behavior



Dire wolves are one of those creatures from the past that has captured the public imagination. They are conventionally dreamed of as being massive wolves, and Hollywood has created fictional ones the size of horses.




The truth of the matter is they were only slightly larger than the largest of modern North American wolves.




 




The frequent exaggeration of the dire wolf's size reminds me of the old Grateful Dead song:




When I awoke, the dire wolf




Six hundred pounds of sin




Was grinning at my window




All I said was, "Come on in!"




Don't murder me,




I beg of you, don't murder me




Please, don't murder me!



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In virtually ever other species, the males have a “penis bone” or




os penis.




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Nope, only most Carnivores, Monkeys, Rodents and Insectivora. There is almost no large mammal with a penis bone, because the first mating would propably end with a broken penis, with it bending easily 90 degree during the act.




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Also penis bones are mammal only.




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I once read in a dissertation about dogs AND horses having penis bones... well, I hope the writer didn't got his doctor title...


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My research into horse penises isn't the greatest but it is sufficient to state that gentlemen horses do not have bones in their dicks.  Gentlemen dogs do.




 


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Yeah, that's BS. Horses have a pure boneless cavernosum type penis, like humans.

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1 hour ago, Vermilion said:




Yeah, that's BS. Horses have a pure boneless cavernosum type penis, like humans.




But the hardness the stallion can achieve is really amazing. A joy to behold, and just hold.  [img]<___base_url___>/uploads/emoticons/biggrin.png[/img]

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 I'm not convinced that cats, being lumped in with other carnivores, are equipped with a baculum.  Past experimentation showed them (house cats, anyway) to be quite flexible when not erect.  The same applies to guinea pigs (cavies), the only rodent that I have much experience with.




 Wandering back on-topic, one has to wonder if some of the massively-hung northern breeds of canines (e.g. Alaskan Malamute; Akita) might not be descended from the Dire Wolf.  I'm sure they're not THAT massive, though.  No doubt seeing one of those big boys fully erect would have been impressive, to say the least.  Too bad they're long gone.


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The hardness of the flare is incredible inside.  Just when you think 'god it's HUGE' it relaxes and he unloads in you if he isn't already unloading.  Other than size, horse dicks consistency is much the same as people dicks.




 


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15 hours ago, Ramseys said:




But the hardness the stallion can achieve is really amazing. A joy to behold, and just hold.  [img]<fileStore.core_Emoticons>/emoticons/biggrin.png[/img]/emoticons/[email protected] 2x" title=":D" width="20" />



 



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2 hours ago, littlejohn said:




The hardness of the flare is incredible inside.  Just when you think 'god it's HUGE' it relaxes and he unloads in you if he isn't already unloading.  Other than size, horse dicks consistency is much the same as people dicks.




 




The experience in that seems quite diverse. Some say a horse is as hard as steel, some they it's more like rubber. Would be a nice topic for another thread anyway.


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My experience is he's both at different times during the cover.




 


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