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On 4/12/2018 at 5:00 PM, battlecrops said:
I'm still very sad about the subreddit getting shut down, that was the largest, most active, and most accessible zoo-focused online community I've seen. Without that accessibility (being able to find it from a Google search for example) I'm afraid new people won't become active in the online community at all.
Apologies for 'Necro-ing' an old thread, but I had to comment on this. Had I not waited so long, I'd have made a Reddit account just for that sub. But, I still have this place. [img]<fileStore.core_Emoticons>/emoticons/smile.png[/img]/emoticons/ [email protected] 2x" title=":)" width="20" /> I don't think the community, or online community is 'dying' (our podcast for example, this forum, the reincarnation of BF in ZooVille...).
I could understand shutting down 'SexWithX' or 'PicsofY' sort of subs (more Bestial subs...), but r/Zoophilia was harmless. It's just the damn peer-pressure BS again.
I say, we try to work out way to more open / free-speech / Open-Source platforms. Our own Mastodon instance for example: no Bestiality, just stories / philosophy / advice, a lot like the Zoo sub but in a microblogger. We may not get Federated, but of course we can use google bots / etc to bring folks to the Mastodon. There's plenty of uncensored mbile clients for it too.
Note that this is just one idea: there are numerous things we could do to breathe some life in to the online scene. Though, avoiding 'hot topic apps' (Twitter, Insta, FB, et-al.) is DEFINITELY advised.
My group uses Discord, and we have some chats on Telegram: however, those two apps can be 'anti-social social platforms', meaning: mostly hidden from the public at large.
I'd be willing to moderate an online scene too, the problem is that life can be a bit hectic. So I'm not always able to attend.
If anyone else wants to practice thread necromancy, leave some ideas: I think we could go somewhere with this. I personally feel myself and Ellie's podcast is a good start, we've 170 subs on YT, and do receive e-mails from interested parties too.
Comparisons to other sexual orientations can be old and tired for some, but I believe this kind of impasse is part of zoophilia being one. For homosexuality, in the past century, it all started like that; the only major difference between a het and a homo was who they had sex with, in a really basic and streamlined view, so sex became an overfocus. Popular gay spaces oozed sex, they were seen as promiscuous, you had to search harder to find small communities that didn't focus on sex or kink. It could be very alienating, a number of people couldn't realize their sexuality because of this exaggerated popular image, and so on. Now that queer rights are doing better, more understanding and representation and all that, it is much easier to find open communities, communities of specific non-porn focus (like adoption, coming out, crush talk, celebrities who are xyz sexuality, health related to the sexuality) and where it's easier to forge long lasting bonds without consistent site shutdowns and such. Fetishists end up a teenier, quieter minority, and it's better known that it's in bad etiquette to just ask a random gay if he will let you frick frack him just for being gay.
Zoos still have this overly sexual connotation attached in the public's eye, to the point that even a number of zoos themselves (closeted to themselves or not) end up falling for it. Some don't even realize there's more than sex to talk about. And those who do are likely to be well under the radar. A number of newbie zoos only ever have the fetishists and porn to turn to as "something they can relate to" (that's not just the "normal" animal love) and then it feeds a cycle. Reading "zoophilia" anywhere, you're probably gonna expect sexual acts to be the main topic shown/discussed, and that in itself reliably attracts horny dinguses just looking for spank bank material, and if it reliably attracts people (and delivers to them, thus keeping them coming back), it'll naturally be more popular... but that's kinda how it will go for a bit until it becomes better known that it's not all about sex, and zoos feel more confident coming out and talking normally about anything (just with the added context of being zoo).
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7 hours ago, WinterGreenWolf said:
I say, we try to work out way to more open / free-speech / Open-Source platforms. Our own Mastodon instance for example: no Bestiality, just stories / philosophy / advice, a lot like the Zoo sub but in a microblogger.
Have you talked about this before? I do have a Mastodon account that I haven't checked in months... but I think I might have only been in one instance. Twitter and its ilk get very little patience from me because of the scrolling focus and no pagination, you can never know where you left off, things get lost easily.......
You know, if you take sexuality out of the picture, zoophilia absolutely rules. Look at this:
spots [dot] com/pet-ownership-statistics/
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4 hours ago, AvianRaptor said:
Have you talked about this before? I do have a Mastodon account that I haven't checked in months... but I think I might have only been in one instance. Twitter and its ilk get very little patience from me because of the scrolling focus and no pagination, you can never know where you left off, things get lost easily.......
We're going to end up doing an activism / social media episode in the future methinks. For Mastodon, I, or another, can host an instance of our own, with our own moderation.
As far as your comments above this: I can agree, it's going to take time to get past the oversexualization at times.
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33 minutes ago, threelegs said:
You know, if you take sexuality out of the picture, zoophilia absolutely rules. Look at this:
spots [dot] com/pet-ownership-statistics/
I'd say separating sex completely is a poor idea, BUT, it definitely doesn't need to be the primary focus IMO.
i don't know about quietly....seems to be thrashing around abit...here lately...
Myself, and some newer out Zoos are trying out best not to let it 'die out', and definitely trying to maybe take some of the focus off the pure bestial side of things. The problem is, of course, as with any sexuality: sex is still a focus, and a lot of people don't want to admit that. There's also the problem of most folks in the 'fetish side', whom are heavily in to the fetish side: think that sex is the only aspect.
Technically, this is somewhat true with bare-bones definitions in Psychology, but as we all know, and some professionals admit, this is definitely not the only side of the coin so to speak. It's just going to take something more organized and put together to get things going: something we've never really had in the states. Something, that may be changing.
A 'US Zeta Verien (SP?)' would be really cool, actually.
A 'US Zeta Verien (SP?)' would be really cool, actually.
say what....
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42 minutes ago, shortleash said:
A 'US Zeta Verien (SP?)' would be really cool, actually.
say what....
(German, "ZETA Association") is a group that came together in Germany to bridge the gap between zoos and non-zoos
Official Account of the german zoophile Association. Deutschland zeta-verein.de
"Some say" they are a bit "out there" on the "Zoophile rights" crusade. Just saying--
They have a version in English:
https://www.zeta-verein.de/en/
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