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1 hour ago, WinterGreenWolf said:
You make poor defenses ZT, and I'm going to make sure people KNOW said poor defenses, like I said: shame on you. Also high and mighty of you to proclaim 'no one is fighting for Zoos harder than me'.
Yeah, after what I've seen on your site, and some other elder Zoo friends of mine, we aren't buying. You're literally just creating a second BF, including the problems. You must take me stupid if you think I've not been keeping tabs on the goings on around ZV.
Good by who's standards ZT? Yours? What account are you lot holding people to? Because I see ZERO accountability in the community, from Fausty's days right on up.
Your 'defense' of proxy-selling beast porn really doesn't matter to me ZT. Especially when you just outright fucking encourage people to sell themselves and their non humans for a buck. Oh and let's not forget to just generate ad revenue and traffic for your BF clone.
Why don't you discourage these kinds of public flaunting practices then ZT? Oh and FYI: I know a lot of your mods and staff are the same TERRIBLE people from BF, so let's not circle-jerk each other here.
Oh YES, by YOUR mods ZT, right? And why let those JUICY views go to waste, RIGHT?
You really don't know how supply, demand, and rarity works, or care how it works do you? I want to encourage people to make the right choices ZT, NOT the profitable one.
I'm perfect in my depth on this one ZT, I know the 'situation' of 'Zoophilia online', that's why I want to encourage change away from people like you and the rest of the 'phoenix of BF'. Also, FYI, I am against rampant, profiting Bestiality ZT, it's not 'Zoo Porn', it's Bestiality: get it right.
Our partners aren't an asset, you don't use porn to say 'Look, they enjoy it! SEE, SEE'? Are you that daft?
Shows how little you know about me ZT. I don't take assholes passively, I'm the same way RL too buddy. Maybe if more people had a pair, we wouldn't be in the position we are now.
Maybe, just maybe we wouldn't be dealing with Mutually Assured Destruction and blackmail, you know: how Fausty let dogdude go TWICE after finding out he was a rampant sadist in the PNW area?
Or, you know, you could encourage some air of civility ad not allow poor behavior to fester like a gangrenous wound? Did you think of that? If people want to flip their tops for a while they can find somewhere else to do it. I don't permit that kind of behavior in ANY of my Zoo Spaces ZT, and I've yet to have a serious issue. I have a clean constitution that EVERYONE is at least expected to bide by loosely.
Proving my point that you're deluded here. 90% of the posts were 'meet and fucks' ZT. If you need this low of a level to 'make friends' you need to re-evaluate your own position in life.
Except there's no fight ZT, you openly promote EXACTLY what the principals stand against. To the last letter, you go directly against them. You do not teach, you do not strike down, you do not hold account, what you do is enable.
No ZT, it does not, because you are no Zoo God, you are no better than the rest of us. You are NOTHING MORE than the rest of us. But I will say this: you are a hypocrite and a coward. I've already also thought things through ZT, FAR harder and longer than you can imagine.
They aren't 'assassinations' if many of them are TRUE ZT. You are again, playing the God card and trying to be some Zeta Prophet. Shrink your head bud, it will take you further to learn some humility.
See, you think your precious site is the 'Center of the Zooverse'. News flash, it isn't. It's a money bag for you, your mods, and your 'clients' sure, but it's not the center of the Zoo Community.
This forums' mere existence proves that, as do my own Zoo spaces, my relations to the older folks in the community.... also, it's funny, I've been here for quite some time, and I like to think the members of this forum have at least some basic trust in me. Same with most Zoos who have met and talked to me, some of them in real life.
Why do you think that is? Could it be that I don't present myself as a lunatic and actually try to respect when it's given? Could it also be that I'd rather people think logically instead of blind zealous following?
Say, just so I don't give the mods problems here, if you really AREN'T a coward, contact me on my messengers below. We can have this out one on one, and yes, I WILL still be making that video, and no, you aren't going to like it.
Discord: Winter Green#2558
Telegram: @WinterGreenWolf
- To the mods, feel free to lock, or even delete this thread. I'd rather not see it gone, but if it needs to be, it needs to be. I won't be replying to Floofy OR ZT here, if ZT has more bones to pick, be can use my contact details above.
Every one of your points is total idealism, a belief you can just poof away everyone wanting to take advantage of the zoo community, and its pornographic content. You refuse to face the reality of the situation, that someone else, a non-zoo will spin up a zoox18 server and promote the same sadistic sewage that you complain about. You have done NOTHING to combat it,
ZooVille is atleast trying to control it, Zoocommunity hides from it, and you complain about it.
It cannot be stopped, only controlled.
Who do you want controlling the zoo content hmmmm? Zoos? or Non-zoo fetishists? Pathetic useless idealism. I'm Pragmatic towards handling it as best as we can and give back to the zoo's who make the videos. Which you seem to keep ignoring ZV doesn't make A PENNY on!
Let me ask you, Have you developed relationships with non-zoo's to atleast be somewhat neutral towards zoos? Because I have. How do you think we get advertisers? Oh wait, how do you expect to runs a site as large as zooville with the demand for video? ZooVille is already 100% supported by voluntary donations and zoo-neutral ads. How more fair play can it be?
Also on-top of all this, I leverage the large user-base of ZooVille to provide it as a resource for researchers. I do all the clearance checks to verify their legitimate research. ZV is setup with google scholar and indeed is quoted often as a reference for scientists.
I do things, and I make no apologies for reminding people like you that I do these things. Its easy to point a finger at me, because i happen to handle the dirtier side of the zoo community. The fight is out there, and believing nonsense like somehow you can stop all zoo porn on the internet is comical. The only smart, reasonable thing we can do is CONTROL it and manage it.
As for a zeta prophet, I make no claims as such. I do all that I can, and my actions speak louder than my words. I don't shy away from what I do, and I'm not ashamed of the good deeds I've done for the zoo community.
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4 minutes ago, ZTHorse said:
Every one of your points is total idealism, a belief you can just poof away everyone wanting to take advantage of the zoo community, and its pornographic content. You refuse to face the reality of the situation, that someone else, a non-zoo will spin up a zoox18 server and promote the same sadistic sewage that you complain about. You have done NOTHING to combat it,
ZooVille is atleast trying to control it, Zoocommunity hides from it, and you complain about it.
It cannot be stopped, only controlled.
It's not idealism ZT, it's LACK of account, something you promote. ZERO account. ZooVille is directly supporting, and promoting it. We can indeed discourage the production of beast, and it's monetization and traffic-bolstering, but you refuse to, again, your precious baby of a forum SUPPORTS, not controls or assists.
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6 minutes ago, ZTHorse said:
Who do you want controlling the zoo content hmmmm? Zoos? or Non-zoo fetishists? Pathetic useless idealism. I'm Pragmatic towards handling it as best as we can and give back to the zoo's who make the videos. Which you seem to keep ignoring ZV doesn't make A PENNY on!
This 'content' doesn't need to be produced, or plastered to the public,but seeing as that's what YOU want, because it elevates you to enable this sort of thing... You:
A) Shouldn't be enabling fetishists (see Zeta principals).
B) You confuse pathetic idealism with action, which is something you aren't taking.
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9 minutes ago, ZTHorse said:
Let me ask you, Have you developed relationships with non-zoo's to atleast be somewhat neutral towards zoos? Because I have. How do you think we get advertisers? Oh wait, how do you expect to runs a site as large as zooville with the demand for video? ZooVille is already 100% supported by voluntary donations and zoo-neutral ads. How more fair play can it be?
You're proving my point ZT, every step of the way. Yes, I have made friends with many a non Zoo, had an 'anti' and an ally or two on my pod. Helped repressed Zoos open up, talked rationally with Antis, dealt with allies with false info. On but that's not good enough, you need your money, no? Your 'video site'? You're still missing the point, cull the demand, encourage responsibility, don't raise demand for fetishism.
This is all a scheme for you, a way for you to get famous using a community of people, and of course getting money and ad revenue in the process.
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13 minutes ago, ZTHorse said:
Also on-top of all this, I leverage the large user-base of ZooVille to provide it as a resource for researchers. I do all the clearance checks to verify their legitimate research. ZV is setup with google scholar and indeed is quoted often as a reference for scientists.
Size != quality ZT, and you just admitted to curating out 'bad events' or what you want people to see when they contact you. Like you TRIED to do with the study by JM Bailey. Luckily I found his contact info and started spreading the info outside ZV. Admit it's a personal PR / game for you, there's no shame in it if you do it early enough.
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15 minutes ago, ZTHorse said:
I do things, and I make no apologies for reminding people like you that I do these things. Its easy to point a finger at me, because i happen to handle the dirtier side of the zoo community. The fight is out there, and believing nonsense like somehow you can stop all zoo porn on the internet is comical. The only smart, reasonable thing we can do is CONTROL it and manage it.
You mean Bestiality ZT, and you are PROMOTING, not controlling or helping to correct the problem. You are just forwarding the problem, the 'dirty side' MAKES you look better to a bunch of freaks.
You don't care about animals, you don't care about abuse, you care about Y O U. And no, I don't think all Bestial porn should be banished, I think people should be held to account and standards for it.
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18 minutes ago, ZTHorse said:
As for a zeta prophet, I make no claims as such. I do all that I can, and my actions speak louder than my words. I don't shy away from what I do, and I'm not ashamed of the good deeds I've done for the zoo community.
You're right, your actions indeed speak louder than your words, poorly may I add. You have a massive god complex, you think you're 'helping everyone', and I can sure as hell say you aren't helping ME, nor are you promoting any good or ethical behavior of the Zoo Community.
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4 minutes ago, WinterGreenWolf said:
It's not idealism ZT, it's LACK of account, something you promote. ZERO account. ZooVille is directly supporting, and promoting it. We can indeed discourage the production of beast, and it's monetization and traffic-bolstering, but you refuse to, again, your precious baby of a forum SUPPORTS, not controls or assists.
This 'content' doesn't need to be produced, or plastered to the public,but seeing as that's what YOU want, because it elevates you to enable this sort of thing... You:
A) Shouldn't be enabling fetishists (see Zeta principals).
B) You confuse pathetic idealism with action, which is something you aren't taking.
You're proving my point ZT, every step of the way. Yes, I have made friends with many a non Zoo, had an 'anti' and an ally or two on my pod. Helped repressed Zoos open up, talked rationally with Antis, dealt with allies with false info. On but that's not good enough, you need your money, no? Your 'video site'? You're still missing the point, cull the demand, encourage responsibility, don't raise demand for fetishism.
This is all a scheme for you, a way for you to get famous using a community of people, and of course getting money and ad revenue in the process.
Size != quality ZT, and you just admitted to curating out 'bad events' or what you want people to see when they contact you. Like you TRIED to do with the study by JM Bailey. Luckily I found his contact info and started spreading the info outside ZV. Admit it's a personal PR / game for you, there's no shame in it if you do it early enough.
You mean Bestiality ZT, and you are PROMOTING, not controlling or helping to correct the problem. You are just forwarding the problem, the 'dirty side' MAKES you look better to a bunch of freaks.
You don't care about animals, you don't care about abuse, you care about Y O U. And no, I don't think all Bestial porn should be banished, I think people should be held to account and standards for it.
You're right, your actions indeed speak louder than your words, poorly may I add. You have a massive god complex, you think you're 'helping everyone', and I can sure as hell say you aren't helping ME, nor are you promoting any good or ethical behavior of the Zoo Community.
Discourage the production of zoo porn? wow, I'd like to see that. Get back to me when you accomplish that. Total idealism.
Doesn't need to be plastered to the public? Last i checked, you needed a registered account to see porn on ZV. Also go check out zoox18 for that.
Enabling fetishists? They will always be there, you can either teach them with a iron rod of moderation or close your eyes. You chose the latter.
Cull the demand? Fetishists want their fix, they can either do it in an environment with clean zoo porn or goto sites like zoox18. You chose the latter.
JM bailey used ZooVille's userbase for his study. The bigger the selection, the better. That's always the case in a demographic study. As you didn't know about the control groups setup by fellow zoos to prevent abuse of the system. Obviously, your not as well in-tune with that study as I am.
I do care about animals because I'm actually doing something to stop abusive content and lead the fetishistic world to be held closer to the zeta principles. Teach, and inform. Don't shame, educate. Instead of sitting on a marble pedestal and sling down moral dogmas with no form in reality.
The zoo community is better now that ZooVille exists. No one else even comes close.
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9 minutes ago, ZTHorse said:
Discourage the production of zoo porn? wow, I'd like to see that. Get back to me when you accomplish that. Total idealism.
Doesn't need to be plastered to the public? Last i checked, you needed a registered account to see porn on ZV. Also go check out zoox18 for that.
I'd take trying ti discourage rather than promote: do you forget the principals? Educate others about Zoophilia and Bestiality without promoting it? Remember?
And no ZT, I never had an account 'just to see porn'.
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11 minutes ago, ZTHorse said:
Enabling fetishists? They will always be there, you can either teach them with a iron rod of moderation or close your eyes. You chose the latter.
You aren't teaching them ZT, you're enabling and promoting them.
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12 minutes ago, ZTHorse said:
Cull the demand? Fetishists want their fix, they can either do it in an environment with clean zoo porn or goto sites like zoox18. You chose the latter.
You aren't teaching or controlling, you're promoting. You forget it's not 'Zoo Porn' ZT, it's Bestiality, for the last time. Don't butter it. Instead of speaking out against glorification of fetish, you just promote it blindly.
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15 minutes ago, ZTHorse said:
JM bailey used ZooVille's userbase for his study. The bigger the selection, the better. That's always the case in a demographic study. As you didn't know about the control groups setup by fellow zoos to prevent abuse of the system. Obviously, your not as well in-tune with that study as I am.
More god-posturing and curating of results eh ZT? You wanted Bailey to see what YOU specifically wanted him to see. No other side to the community other than the mighty ZT.
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16 minutes ago, ZTHorse said:
I do care about animals because I'm actually doing something to stop abusive content and lead the fetishistic world to be held closer to the zeta principles. Teach, and inform. Don't shame, educate. Instead of sitting on a marble pedestal and sling down moral dogmas with no form in reality.
The zoo community is better now that ZooVille exists. No one else even comes close.
And MORE God-Complex huh? Wow, guess we really know what you stand for. You only care about the 'content' and how it can benefit you. You are still not teaching, you are just enabling of course.
And let's not forget the shameless nonsensical ramble about ZooVille being the center of the Zoo Universe.
- I do hope someone takes you down a peg ZT, and I hope it's me who gets to do it. But if it isn't, at least whomever does it will save me the trouble. Learn some humility and stop pandering to people for glory, it didn't end well for BF, and it won't for you. Let's be real, with the people involved, you just wanted to revive BF.
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Just now, WinterGreenWolf said:
I'd take trying ti discourage rather than promote: do you forget the principals? Educate others about Zoophilia and Bestiality without promoting it? Remember?
And no ZT, I never had an account 'just to see porn'.
You aren't teaching them ZT, you're enabling and promoting them.
You aren't teaching or controlling, you're promoting. You forget it's not 'Zoo Porn' ZT, it's Bestiality, for the last time. Don't butter it. Instead of speaking out against glorification of fetish, you just promote it blindly.
More god-posturing and curating of results eh ZT? You wanted Bailey to see what YOU specifically wanted him to see. No other side to the community other than the mighty ZT.
And MORE God-Complex huh? Wow, guess we really know what you stand for. You only care about the 'content' and how it can benefit you. You are still not teaching, you are just enabling of course.
And let's not forget the shameless nonsensical ramble about ZooVille being the center of the Zoo Universe.
- I do hope someone takes you down a peg ZT, and I hope it's me who gets to do it. But if it isn't, at least whomever does it will save me the trouble. Learn some humility and stop pandering to people for glory, it didn't end well for BF, and it won't for you. Let's be real, with the people involved, you just wanted to revive BF.
*shakes head
-Allowed free speech for zoos of all walks of life, non-pornographic area for heated debate. Does not exist ANYWHERE else in any zoo space, even telegram.
-ZooVille Resources Tab. Promotes all scientific and legal literature regarding zoophilia. Non-pornographic and used to promote all pro-zoo media, including yours still.
-Created zoophilia.wiki. Non-pornographic, updated it with the old articles from zoophilia.net, a homage to that zoo resource. A resource open to any zoo writer willing to grow it.
-Completed 1 study, 1 pending, and another in the works. <-----(news for you I bet) Non-pornographic
-Manage the largest zoo telegram channels, double shield initiative approved, Non-pornographic
If there is anyone, who wishes for the ideal zoo world that could be perfectly inline with the zeta principles, I would want it. Reality however, is that the zeta principles cannot be met in the wild west of the internet, and you have provided no solutions. Only dead ends.
I will extend this to you then WGW, since you've made your thoughts well known. Would you like me to delete all your posts on Zooville? I was hesitant to do so, (any of my mods know this) but what do you want me to do?
Theres no need to keep going in circles. I'm an ally for the zoo community, no matter how much you try to spin it otherwise.
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1 hour ago, ZTHorse said:
-Allowed free speech for zoos of all walks of life, non-pornographic area for heated debate. Does not exist ANYWHERE else in any zoo space, even telegram.
Trash fires for the sake of, and enabling shit behavior. Something this forum does not allow. Free Speech ™ doesn't mean a lack of rules or law.
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1 hour ago, ZTHorse said:
ZooVille Resources Tab. Promotes all scientific and legal literature regarding zoophilia. Non-pornographic and used to promote all pro-zoo media, including yours still.
Yet most content promoted there is 'pro Zoo' and encourages / promotes it and Bestial acts, see ZooTT. Point proven and principal violated.
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1 hour ago, ZTHorse said:
Created zoophilia.wiki. Non-pornographic, updated it with the old articles from zoophilia.net, a homage to that zoo resource. A resource open to any zoo writer willing to grow it.
Ah yes, promote some more of the shit ideals from the 'wild west' days of paid Beast sites and refuse to recount the 'bad side' of the community, great impartial stance there.
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1 hour ago, ZTHorse said:
-Completed 1 study, 1 pending, and another in the works. <-----(news for you I bet) Non-pornographic
All curated by 'yours truely ™' no doubt, no?
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1 hour ago, ZTHorse said:
-Manage the largest zoo telegram channels, double shield initiative approved, Non-pornographic
And, here we go with the god complexing / dick measuring contest again. Buddy, give it a break. No matter how many times you preach high and mighty to me, it doesn't make me think you're a good person ZT, nor your mods.
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1 hour ago, ZTHorse said:
If there is anyone, who wishes for the ideal zoo world that could be perfectly inline with the zeta principles, I would want it. Reality however, is that the zeta principles cannot be met in the wild west of the internet, and you have provided no solutions. Only dead ends.
I am working on a solution ZT, an impartial one, that shows bad actors, recounts history, and of course discourages poor practice. This is just more self-soothing on your part. Likely, due to your name possibly being on the 'bad actors' list. That remains to be seen however.
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1 hour ago, ZTHorse said:
I will extend this to you then WGW, since you've made your thoughts well known. Would you like me to delete all your posts on Zooville? I was hesitant to do so, (any of my mods know this) but what do you want me to do?
Theres no need to keep going in circles. I'm an ally for the zoo community, no matter how much you try to spin it otherwise.
By the looks of your 'community' an extended hand from you would be akin to the plague. It's your forum ZT, you can keep or remove what you see fit. I will however continue to speak out against your practices and views of the community, plain and simple.
You are the one declaring god-complexes and smokescreen reasoning when I'm confronting you on what I see as genuine bad behavior: you're full of yourself and lack ANY kind of humility in admitting mistakes, I admit mine ZT.
There's many a Zoo behind the scenes that utterly despise you for your attitude and actions, and for what I've already said about your forum. Are you going to hold yourself, and others accountable or are you going to continue on this path?
IMHO, with an 'ally' like you, we don't need anymore enemies.
I'm drawing a line here, once and for all, and I refuse to cross it.
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2 hours ago, WinterGreenWolf said:
Trash fires for the sake of, and enabling shit behavior. Something this forum does not allow. Free Speech ™ doesn't mean a lack of rules or law.
Yet most content promoted there is 'pro Zoo' and encourages / promotes it and Bestial acts, see ZooTT. Point proven and principal violated.
Ah yes, promote some more of the shit ideals from the 'wild west' days of paid Beast sites and refuse to recount the 'bad side' of the community, great impartial stance there.
All curated by 'yours truely ™' no doubt, no?
And, here we go with the god complexing / dick measuring contest again. Buddy, give it a break. No matter how many times you preach high and mighty to me, it doesn't make me think you're a good person ZT, nor your mods.
I am working on a solution ZT, an impartial one, that shows bad actors, recounts history, and of course discourages poor practice. This is just more self-soothing on your part. Likely, due to your name possibly being on the 'bad actors' list. That remains to be seen however.
By the looks of your 'community' an extended hand from you would be akin to the plague. It's your forum ZT, you can keep or remove what you see fit. I will however continue to speak out against your practices and views of the community, plain and simple.
You are the one declaring god-complexes and smokescreen reasoning when I'm confronting you on what I see as genuine bad behavior: you're full of yourself and lack ANY kind of humility in admitting mistakes, I admit mine ZT.
There's many a Zoo behind the scenes that utterly despise you for your attitude and actions, and for what I've already said about your forum. Are you going to hold yourself, and others accountable or are you going to continue on this path?
IMHO, with an 'ally' like you, we don't need anymore enemies.
I'm drawing a line here, once and for all, and I refuse to cross it.
Oh I know there is zoos whom despise me, just as I know a myriad who despise you (especially after your stunt on zv).
The amount of hate won't take away the reality of the online zoophilia world, that there is bad evil people who will exploit zoos and I'm the one empowering zoos.
I defend zoos, zoos whom even hate me on my own platform, because I believe its the right thing to do. I have principles, which you lack, since you start threatening people once you got critics.
Your not my first critic nor my last. Critics are worth about as much as a wet book of matches if they don't have solutions.
Anyway, its much of a bore now since I ask if you wish me to keep promoting your podcast on my site. If ZV is so bad, I will delete it for you, but if you don't wish to choose, then its on my grace that i allow it on my site.
Your choice, atleast make the right one.
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15 minutes ago, ZTHorse said:
Oh I know there is zoos whom despise me, just as I know a myriad who despise you (especially after your stunt on zv).
People despise me because I don't care about hurt feelings, hold people accountable, and I confront people ZT. I'm blunt and damn direct in my intent. If you payed attention, you'd know this.
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16 minutes ago, ZTHorse said:
The amount of hate won't take away the reality of the online zoophilia world, that there is bad evil people who will exploit zoos and I'm the one empowering zoos.
Your narcissism and god complex know zero bounds do they ZT? You aren't the source of OUR power, you aren't the imperial leader of the Zoos ZT. NEITHER of us are, pull your head out your rear end and the clouds bud. 'Online Zoophilia' is no different than real-world Zoophilia, both need a standard and a bar, one you refuse to set.
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18 minutes ago, ZTHorse said:
I defend zoos, zoos whom even hate me on my own platform, because I believe its the right thing to do. I have principles, which you lack, since you start threatening people once you got critics.
Well considering you permit vitriolic, abusive behavior, and enable abusers directly ZT, I'd say you DON'T have any principals I'd want IMHO. I can sleep at night knowing the people who meet me and my partner are of a safe, ethical, and moral construct. How many of your 'online Zoo worshippers' would you meet and say the same for?
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20 minutes ago, ZTHorse said:
Your not my first critic nor my last. Critics are worth about as much as a wet book of matches if they don't have solutions.
Your 'principals' you operate under ZT, are worth wet paper, and I'm proposing solutions. I'm proposing in every one of my videos, that people THINK ZT. Don't ACT, THINK. I'm also proposing people follow the ONLY set of major Ethical guidelines put forth by our communal forefathers in the 90s, and again proposed and put forth by one of the ONLY Zoo-centric groups in the world to make ANY sort of change. Zeta Verein.
I would rather stick to principals that I can use to educate, and at least affirm an ethical and moral stance. Encouraging people to avoid abusers, report them (I will do this, not I did not say DOX, I said REPORT ZT) if the need arises. I want to teach people to NETWORK, make REAL friends, and not continue the 20+ year old cycle of Mutually Assured Destruction and fuck parties YOU are encouraging.
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24 minutes ago, ZTHorse said:
Anyway, its much of a bore now since I ask if you wish me to keep promoting your podcast on my site. If ZV is so bad, I will delete it for you, but if you don't wish to choose, then its on my grace that i allow it on my site.
Your choice, atleast make the right one.
I AM making the right choice ZT, by speaking out and toughening up against people like YOU, and having a backbone and a pair of grapes between the legs. You however, re-hash your same arguments and refuse to answer to any fault. You do everything you can to glorify ZV and yourself, promote reckless behavior, and say you have 'friends' when in reality: you have a bunch of fetish seekers drooling over the next upload to your site.
They don't care about you ZT, they care about what you push.
And as I've said, it's your forum, do as you wish.
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14 minutes ago, WinterGreenWolf said:
People despise me because I don't care about hurt feelings, hold people accountable, and I confront people ZT. I'm blunt and damn direct in my intent. If you payed attention, you'd know this.
Your narcissism and god complex know zero bounds do they ZT? You aren't the source of OUR power, you aren't the imperial leader of the Zoos ZT. NEITHER of us are, pull your head out your rear end and the clouds bud. 'Online Zoophilia' is no different than real-world Zoophilia, both need a standard and a bar, one you refuse to set.
Well considering you permit vitriolic, abusive behavior, and enable abusers directly ZT, I'd say you DON'T have any principals I'd want IMHO. I can sleep at night knowing the people who meet me and my partner are of a safe, ethical, and moral construct. How many of your 'online Zoo worshippers' would you meet and say the same for?
Your 'principals' you operate under ZT, are worth wet paper, and I'm proposing solutions. I'm proposing in every one of my videos, that people THINK ZT. Don't ACT, THINK. I'm also proposing people follow the ONLY set of major Ethical guidelines put forth by our communal forefathers in the 90s, and again proposed and put forth by one of the ONLY Zoo-centric groups in the world to make ANY sort of change. Zeta Verein.
I would rather stick to principals that I can use to educate, and at least affirm an ethical and moral stance. Encouraging people to avoid abusers, report them (I will do this, not I did not say DOX, I said REPORT ZT) if the need arises. I want to teach people to NETWORK, make REAL friends, and not continue the 20+ year old cycle of Mutually Assured Destruction and fuck parties YOU are encouraging.
I AM making the right choice ZT, by speaking out and toughening up against people like YOU, and having a backbone and a pair of grapes between the legs. You however, re-hash your same arguments and refuse to answer to any fault. You do everything you can to glorify ZV and yourself, promote reckless behavior, and say you have 'friends' when in reality: you have a bunch of fetish seekers drooling over the next upload to your site.
They don't care about you ZT, they care about what you push.
And as I've said, it's your forum, do as you wish.
Yeah I figured you wouldn't have a spine. Atleast saying you'd want your posts removed from ZV on moral grounds, I might have respected you more. Bunch of hot air.
Unfortunately, the big ass expensive server sucking up power says otherwise WGW. It just the nature of the zoo community, still being grey-legal in many places, and ZV being the only site to provide Personals. You just talk, I do.
Eh, you don't know i've talked with Zeta Verenin and they are involved as councilors with the studies. I don't need to tell you much else except, your out of your depth again.
Anyways, I believe thats about all to be said on the matter. I wish you well.
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48 minutes ago, ZTHorse said:
Unfortunately, the big ass expensive server sucking up power says otherwise WGW. It just the nature of the zoo community, still being grey-legal in many places, and ZV being the only site to provide Personals. You just talk, I do.
Yes ZT, you do. You god complex to hell and back and of course pander to people looking for a quick fuck instead of encouraging networking and community building. You also tell people how to monetize porn so we can continue the grand cycle of exploitation. I've already explained this to you, but you still try to impress me with 'big numbers' for some reason.
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50 minutes ago, ZTHorse said:
Eh, you don't know i've talked with Zeta Verenin and they are involved as councilors with the studies. I don't need to tell you much else except, your out of your depth again.
Oh OF COURSE you have ZT, your god complex could never allow you to be forthright could it? Yeah, I call bullshit buddy.
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51 minutes ago, ZTHorse said:
Anyways, I believe thats about all to be said on the matter. I wish you well.
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Considering you still haven't answered on your accountability front, and tried every way possible to dodge it; and instead ran in circles, yeah I'd say this about covers it don'cha think? I think I'll mention our little conversation and some steps in the right direction in my next video.
And yes ZT, I am willing to work with your 'opponents' and outsiders to set a bar of standards in our community, especially since you can't seem to uphold the basic ones set all those decades ago.
I don't wish you well, nor do I wish you ill ZT. But I can promise you I'll do what I can to set a proper standard that's not revolving around the same failed nomenclature that we've used for years.
We shall see who prevails in the end ZT, even though this isn't really a contest, I have a feeling I'll be able to reach more people than you think.
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