Lots of new bills in the U.S.

[Mfkfznfp]

Regardless of how BF has affected the zoo scene in general, the question now is: is it possible to somehow get these new laws (banning sex with animals) removed, repealed, struck down in a lawsuit, etc.

[battlecrops]

7 hours ago, Mfkfznfp said:




the question now is: is it possible to somehow get these new laws (banning sex with animals) removed, repealed, struck down in a lawsuit, etc.

Short answer:  no.   




Any politician who would attempt to do so is basically committing career suicide; anyone else who would is going to get themselves accused of having sex with animals, true or not.  I don't like it either but really it doesn't even make much of a difference.  Even if it's not strictly illegal they'll slam you with animal cruelty charges and the consequences will be the same.  No animal contact, can't ever own animals again, your animals will be taken from you, etc.

[Mfkfznfp]

On 3/22/2018 at 6:13 AM, battlecrops said:




Short answer:  no.  

What about lawsuits?




Also, there is now an anti-zoo bill in Maryland:




https://legiscan.com/MD/text/SB800/2018




So there are now 6 bills in the U.S. this year.

[heavyhorse]

Quoted from "The Week":




Louisiana's animals, after the State Senate passed a bill banning bestiality.  "If you vote against this bill, good luck explaining it" said Senator J.P. Morrell.




Which puts into words perfectly why politicians always  pass these things.




Notably, ten Senators voted against the bill.




I would very much like to hear their reasoning for doing so.  Right to privacy?  Passing unnecessary regulations?  Not intruding into people's sexual practices?  Discrimination?   The ten of them will probably never say, but it would be very interesting if they did. 

[30-30]

17 hours ago, heavyhorse said:




Quoted from "The Week":




Louisiana's animals, after the State Senate passed a bill banning bestiality.  "If you vote against this bill, good luck explaining it" said Senator J.P. Morrell.




Which puts into words perfectly why politicians always  pass these things.




Notably, ten Senators voted against the bill.




I would very much like to hear their reasoning for doing so.  Right to privacy?  Passing unnecessary regulations?  Not intruding into people's sexual practices?  Discrimination?   The ten of them will probably never say, but it would be very interesting if they did. 

Well, some of those ten gave interviews...which were not exactly hard to find...if one searches for them.




Here you go:




https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/...s-pushback




 

[heavyhorse]

35 minutes ago, 30-30 said:




Well, some of those ten gave interviews...which were not exactly hard to find...if one searches for them.




Here you go:




https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/...s-pushback




 

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You don't have authorization to view this page.




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Baton Rouge, LA (ap)




In Louisiana, aproposal to strenghten the law against bestiality is facing unexpected opposition from consevative lawmakers who see it as an underhanded move to strike the state´s unconstitutional ban on sodomy.




Creating a new, wide-range anti-bestiality law would untangle the offense from the ban on sodomy in Louisiana´s "crime against nature" statute, prompting some lawmakers to label the measure a sly chess move.




"This bill was written because the far left wants to undermine our other laws that protect family and traditional values that the people of Louisiana hold dear" , said Sen. Ryan Gatti , a Republican who was one of 10 senators to vote against the bill.




"That was our concern, that it most likely will be used as a Trojan Horse to delete the sodomy law" , he said.




News about lawmakers voting against the measure that would expand the state´s four-word bestiality law with requirements for mental evaluations and penalties for trafficking provoked confusion and mockery outside the Deep South state.




Six states have expanded laws on bestiality crimes in the past three years, according to Leighann Lassiter, director of animal cruelty policy at the HSUS, which is advocating for the rewritten laws. Three states, including Louisiana, have similar proposals working through their legislatures.




"This has been the first time we´ve seen one hint of opposition to these bills" , she said. "It´s quite surprising."




For Sen. J.P: Morrell, what has been frustrating is that opposition to his bill is rooted in fear that games are afoot to remove the state´s unforceable statute against "unnatural" sex in Louisiana.




"I don´t know how to answer conspiracy theory" , he said. "There´s no evidence that the bill does that. What you hear from people is that they don´t trust me because I´m a democrat from New Orleans."




Anti sodomy laws in Louisiana and other states were invalidated in 2003 by the US Supreme Court , which ruled that forbidding people of the same sex from certain sexual conduct violated the 14th Amendment. Despite that ruling, Louisiana´s existing law remains on the books.




Morrell has not been shy about his distaste for regulation on what kind of sex is allowed between consenting adults in Louisiana, but he emphasized that he´s not taking aim at that rule with his proposal.




He said the measure would modernize an inadequate Louisiana law that doesn´t account for today´s technology. He even urged fellow lawmakers to vote against an amendment that sought to strike the anti sodomy law because it would ensure his bill´s failure.




On the Senate floor, he offered a stern warning: "God forbid you vote against this bill - good luck explaining it."




His bill passed the Senate 25-10 and awaits debate in the House of Representatives. It´s unclear how the measure will fare in the House because the leader of the Louisiana Family Forum, a Christian conservative organisation with considerable sway in the chamber, has raised concerns about it.




"I think the provisions of his bill go way too far" , said Gene Mills, president of the group.




The Humane Society´s Lassiter said holes in the law haven´t prevented district attorneys from prosecuting cases where people are having sex with an animal. Opponents to the Louisiana bill have said that´s good reason to leave the state´s law as is.




But the existence of online marketplaces for buying and selling animals for sex complicates matters when the act falls outside the law´s boundaries, Lassiter said. Bringing animal cruelty charges is an option, though authorities often have to prove harm has been done, which isn´t always clear in these cases.




 

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A little addendum, just in case it goes over anyone´s head:




"But the existence of online marketplaces for buying and selling animals for sex complicates matters when the act falls outside the law´s boundaries..." once again one could get the idea that zoophilia and bestiality wouldn´t be a topic many would put much effort into if it wasn´t for the obvious and visible tries to commercialise and monetarise. The said "online marketplaces" (i bet my nutsac we´re talking about BF...again) inflict fear and concern not because it´s about sex with animals, but because of this false idea to make "animal sex" available to everyone interested, building a "shadow economy" behind the scene. I ran into this kind of argument so often now, there´s got to be something to it. 




Before the internet gushed out all those animal porn sites, people´s typical reaction towards zoophilia was laughing ´cause the pictures in their heads were surreal for them. Now, with all of that commercial infrastructure that has infected our community, the invoked pictures are different from that "strange guy claiming to love an animal so deeply that he even sleeps with it". Now, the pictures evoked are of an illegal animal sex cult basically interested in money and sexual gratification of the human; now, nobody laughs anymore about us, now they see us as representatives of a dangerous trend to monetarise and commercialise animal sex. Now they see us as poison for society, disorientating youngsters in our forums, reassuring them at all costs to generate "new customers". We´re basically the ones who made the terrible mistake to allow our scene to drift off towards what it is now. We shot ourselves in the foot with that misunderstood "tolerance" that should better be called indifference ...for the sake of "supporting" even the most unfit and unaware individuals. When I say that we´re our own worst enemy, I don´t speak out of anger towards this community, but because I´ve heard that same logic over and over again and the option of relative tolerance for zoophilia IF our scene would get rid of all the wrong ways we´re currently walking hidden between the lines.




When I say that zoophilia may be the only sexual orientation that DEMANDS morals and ethics, I´m not an elitist asshole, I´m just describing what many "opponents" identify as their "call to action"...we screwed this up ourselves , guys. Too permissive, too much "playground" mentality... 

[heavyhorse]

Hmm--




So the only reason the 10 senators blocked the anti-bestiality bill was because they wanted to keep the (unenforceable) anti-gay law on the books.




Sounds about right.   Why did I expect any better . . . . ?

[littlejohn]

It's an easy vote getter in that end of the whirled.