On Anti-zoophiles & "Living in Fear"

[silverwolf1]

Who are they exactly? Who are we supposed to be watchful for? 




In the early days it was ASAIRS/ Randy Pepe/ Mike. He's still around, somewhere. He could be here. Who knows, who cares? He harassed folks, outted a few, closed some forums and meets. I didn't fear him then & don't now. In fact I taunted, harassed & investigated him in return back then; more effectively.




There was then the growing threat of the Humane Society of the United States, or HSUS. It's a stronger threat now, but still not more than a troll. They are here, on this forum, & on Zooville and every other zoo forum. They have small resources, volunteer driven, that consist of individual users making accounts on our forums to attempt to collect information. They'll try to become Admins & Moderators of sites. I know their tricks. I protect this forum, as does <a contenteditable="false" data-ipshover="" data-ipshover-target="<___base_url___>/profile/19-doge1/?do=hovercard" data-mentionid="19" href="<___base_url___>/profile/19-doge1/">@doge1</a> & <a contenteditable="false" data-ipshover="" data-ipshover-target="<___base_url___>/profile/159-hiway/?do=hovercard" data-mentionid="159" href="<___base_url___>/profile/159-hiway/">@Hiway</a>




There is in more recent years, and our more visible online presence brought this, the various SPCAs. They have & are the LAW. This is the MOST credible threat to all zoos. They ignore the forums for the most part, except where porn sales is involved. They hunt the commercial sites & their customer base. They look for the porn. Porn is evidence. Purchase is real life info. They now own you. They are the ones who have caused every new law in every State in the US in recent years, in the UK, in Europe, etc.. That is real. We still have recourse & (at least here in the States) a peice of paper protecting us from how much they can do. Those laws cause me no personal fear.




Finally, there is the "zoo" you loved or trusted yesterday. Human nature is such that a bad "break-up" or ended friendship will sometimes cause one party to lash out, and what better way than to let slip to your family or friends that you fuck animals? Or if they don't know you in person, to try to out you to the community? Goatman tried the second (and accomplished the first by accident) in 2005 to try to prove me a fraud to the community when I found out he was an abuser of dogs and ended our friendship. He found himself disappointed instead, but the damage was done..




So, what do you do? Live in paranoia & fear? Never make friends or have a human relationship though you also like their companionship?




I don't recommend any of the above. Your life wound frankly suck.




I stay away from other zoos because I'm a miserable bastard. I'm doing you all a favor there. Just as I do my neighbors a favor by ignoring them as much as possible. There was a time, in my younger years, I was a nicer guy (not a lot nicer). But those days passed.




If you like people, and zoos share common interests, socialize. Just be careful about it. Choose wisely, just as you would any other relationship. Protect your RL info until you've communicated well with each other online. Then, take it easy..




Get your porn for free, if you need it at all. Stay off the forums that sell porn even if you aren't buying. 




Use every means of protecting your identity there is.




And DON'T leave your computer on with a story opened about you & your lover where your sister can happen to read it when you've been rushed to the hospital & she's been good enough to come up & take care of your dogs and horses... we're none of us perfect [img]<fileStore.core_Emoticons>/emoticons/smile.png[/img]/emoticons/[email protected] 2x" title=":)" width="20" /> 




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[heavyhorse]

The only point I would disagree on is that the Societies are not all-volunteer.  They rake in $ millions a year with commercials showing sad, sad puppies, selling subscriptions and monthly auto-donations, sponsored by TV celebrities (remember Bob Barker?).  They (and their hackers and lawyers) are quite well financed.  

[caikgoch]

6 minutes ago, heavyhorse said:




The only point I would disagree on is that the Societies are not all-volunteer.  They rake in $ millions a year with commercials showing sad, sad puppies, selling subscriptions and monthly auto-donations, sponsored by TV celebrities (remember Bob Barker?).  They (and their hackers and lawyers) are quite well financed.  

That's true but it's not the best reason to worry about them.   Most are quasi-governmental organizations.   That means that they are a private corporation contracted by the government to fulfil a governmental function and given governmental powers to do so.   Their "experts" can order your animals seized or declare you an abuser and it's up to you to prove different in court.

[silverwolf1]

On 9/9/2020 at 8:39 AM, heavyhorse said:




The only point I would disagree on is that the Societies are not all-volunteer.  They rake in $ millions a year with commercials showing sad, sad puppies, selling subscriptions and monthly auto-donations, sponsored by TV celebrities (remember Bob Barker?).  They (and their hackers and lawyers) are quite well financed.  

 

On 9/9/2020 at 9:02 AM, caikgoch said:




That's true but it's not the best reason to worry about them.   Most are quasi-governmental organizations.   That means that they are a private corporation contracted by the government to fulfil a governmental function and given governmental powers to do so.   Their "experts" can order your animals seized or declare you an abuser and it's up to you to prove different in court.

HSUS being referred to here. No, their finances aren't small, but little of that is directed toward us. Puppy mills, hoarders, meat markets, cosmetics testing & other targets are more high profile targets of theirs, & ones I support. That is my point. When it comes to outting & investigating individual zoophiles they are indeed all volunteers, unless it is an extremely high profile "zoo" target (who usually makes themselves so).




HSUS is NOT a Government agency. They can recommend seizure of your animals though, and usually succeed when they do. The SPCA's ARE Government agencies, they are Law Enforcement. They don't recommend, they do. HSUS tactics are to involve the various SPCA's so they don't HAVE to deal with the chance of having a recommendation denied. Your animals are simply taken.




It is difficult with both these agencies, where our "enemies" are also (for many reasons related to the health, welfare & safety of animals) our friends.




Again, plain common sense protects you the most. You have it, use it. OPSEC here, no pay-sites, don't buy toys (if customer lists can be shared they can be used),  choose friends wisely and DON'T "share" your companions (not just for security either, there're ethics to consider). 




None of the above keep a 'zoo' from enjoying being "zoo", nor do they make you paranoid, just careful. 

[heavyhorse]

15 minutes ago, silverwolf1 said:




DON'T "share" your companions (not just for security either, there're ethics to consider). 

Also STD's.   It's darn near impossible to get a STD from an animal.  Unless you're sharing with another human.... 

[AvianRaptor]

Maybe it's wishful thinking, but I believe a number of people in such organizations are (or become) aware that a number of zooey spaces such as this one are just run of the mill and not particularly intimidating, or pressing, or anything like that. They probably have a twisted image in their heads and see that it's not like that, so actually put their money on more important and verifiable actions, or in supporting shelters and whatnot. Anyone with access to info about animal welfare and rights issues would stop being an anti-zoo crier on a priority basis...unless they're doing it for puritan moralistic reasons rather than actual concern for the animals, of course.

[silverwolf1]

13 hours ago, AvianRaptor said:




Maybe it's wishful thinking, but I believe a number of people in such organizations are (or become) aware that a number of zooey spaces such as this one are just run of the mill and not particularly intimidating, or pressing, or anything like that. They probably have a twisted image in their heads and see that it's not like that, so actually put their money on more important and verifiable actions, or in supporting shelters and whatnot. Anyone with access to info about animal welfare and rights issues would stop being an anti-zoo crier on a priority basis...unless they're doing it for puritan moralistic reasons rather than actual concern for the animals, of course.

Well, that's the point. The few that are around ARE Puritans, on their high horse preaching anti-zoo messages and just causing any strife they can because they think they are without sin and appointed "Protectors" of these poor unfortunate sexually abused animals by God Himself. They can't leave, whether they have the finances or not, and volunteer to be here and harass us under the title of the HSUS or on their own just gathering 'dirt'.




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[heavyhorse]

And now that RBG has passed I fear we won't be the only ones "living in fear".  Anything other than a white man and woman horizontally will be a target....

[cervids]

1 hour ago, heavyhorse said:




And now that RBG has passed I fear we won't be the only ones "living in fear".  Anything other than a white man and woman horizontally will be a target....

It's times like these I feel happier I'm basically asexual.  It means maybe I could speak out and do something to stop this without risking another life beyond my own.




That's about it's only convienience.  And no, I'm not planning anything, but just speaking out against local community bullshit is a start.